Contents
- Introduction
- Jacob Have I loved, Esau have I hated
- Twins irreconcilably struggle for Dominion
- Reconciled by the gospel
- The church contains Edom, Amos 9:11-12
- Pretribulation Messianic Kingdom of David
(where Israel possesses the remnant of Edom) - Scriptures affirming the future Resurrection and Reign of King David
- Remnant Messianic groups forming along tribal lines,
- Coalescing into Israelite and Edomite tribes - “Esau” - What’s in a Name?
- Esau throwing off the Yoke
- America is Esau/Edom America is the new Rome / proto Babylon
- Notable Edomites in the bible, some bad, some good
- The elder shall serve the younger
- The binding of Isaac and the gospel and remnant of Edom
- Mt Zion - Heavenly then Earthly
- -Regathered from destroyed America and western world after WW3 Palmtrees of smoke
- Edom comes under Judah
- Edomite antipathy towards the priesthood of Levi.
- What good does the Remnant of Edom bring? - Purity, holiness, wisdom, right judgement, faith!
- Conclusion
Introduction
What is not so well known is that along with the 10 lost tribes, Esau came too. Wherever Jacob is, there is Esau along side him, to serve him and gain dominion.
Over the last 100 years Esau has gained dominion via the plotting of the nefarious Jesuit and Freemason brotherhoods and their connections to big business. They all but run the main line churches. When Jacob drops the ball, Esau picks it up. The behind the scenes political, religious and economic power structures in the western world all go back to Rome. The Roman Empire has not gone away. The Roman empire rules through the Vatican. Business is good. And the USA is now the military wing of Rome. The power structures that run Rome's empire are 'White'! Even the Jews ultimately bow down before Rome (although not completely!). Edom is white, like the bulk of the 10 lost tribes of the House of Israel. Edom has a very strong connection to Freemasonry, the occult and the Roman Catholic Church.
There is also a remnant of Edom that has faith in Yeshua and is also awakening to the Torah. Although Jacob got the birthright and blessing from his older brother Esau / Edom there has always been some of Edom that have followed the Lord God יהוה אלהים of Israel. This was true in Old Testament times and has been especially true during the ‘gospel age’. The New Testament makes that clear as we shall see later.
So what is going on with Esau and what is the purpose for those that are descended from him by blood but are born of God by the Spirit? What will happen to the remnant of Esau when it is time for the lost tribes to exit the USA and elsewhere for the 'North Country' and ultimately, the land of Israel? What is happening now with Esau as our God hating LGBT culture commits suicide and rushes headlong into World War 3 and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and exodus?
Jacob Have I loved, Esau have I hated
Malachi 1:1-5
1 מַשָּׂא דְבַר־יְהוָה אֶל־יִשְׂרָאֵל בְּיַד מַלְאָכִֽי׃
2 אָהַבְתִּי אֶתְכֶם אָמַר יְהוָה וַאֲמַרְתֶּם בַּמָּה אֲהַבְתָּנוּ הֲלֹוא־אָח עֵשָׂו לְיַֽעֲקֹב נְאֻם־יְהוָה וָאֹהַב אֶֽת־יַעֲקֹֽב׃
3 וְאֶת־עֵשָׂו שָׂנֵאתִי וָאָשִׂים אֶת־הָרָיו שְׁמָמָה וְאֶת־נַחֲלָתֹו לְתַנֹּות מִדְבָּֽר׃
4 כִּֽי־תֹאמַר אֱדֹום רֻשַּׁשְׁנוּ וְנָשׁוּב וְנִבְנֶה חֳרָבֹות כֹּה אָמַר יְהוָה צְבָאֹות הֵמָּה יִבְנוּ וַאֲנִי אֶהֱרֹוס וְקָרְאוּ לָהֶם גְּבוּל רִשְׁעָה וְהָעָם אֲשֶׁר־זָעַם יְהוָה עַד־עֹולָֽם׃
5 וְעֵינֵיכֶם תִּרְאֶינָה וְאַתֶּם תֹּֽאמְרוּ יִגְדַּל יְהוָה מֵעַל לִגְבוּל יִשְׂרָאֵֽל׃
1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
5 And your eyes shall see, and ye shall say, The LORD will be magnified from the border of Israel.
Yes this is correct. The Lord hated Esau. Jacob was His, Esau was the spiritual seed of the wicked one, Satan. The hostility that Esau harbours for his brother Jacob will ultimately be punished by the Lord with complete destruction of his entire race!
Obadiah 1:4
אִם־תַּגְבִּיהַּ כַּנֶּשֶׁר וְאִם־בֵּין כֹּֽוכָבִים שִׂים קִנֶּךָ מִשָּׁם אֹורִֽידְךָ נְאֻם־יְהוָֽה׃
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

Israel and Judah will destroy Edom completely at the return of our Saviour, Yeshua.
Obadiah 1:18, 21
18 וְהָיָה בֵית־יַעֲקֹב אֵשׁ וּבֵית יֹוסֵף לֶהָבָה וּבֵית עֵשָׂו לְקַשׁ וְדָלְקוּ בָהֶם וַאֲכָלוּם
וְלֹֽא־יִֽהְיֶה שָׂרִיד לְבֵית עֵשָׂו כִּי יְהוָה דִּבֵּֽר׃
21 וְעָלוּ מֹֽושִׁעִים בְּהַר צִיֹּון לִשְׁפֹּט אֶת־הַר עֵשָׂו וְהָיְתָה לַֽיהוָה הַמְּלוּכָֽה׃
18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them;
and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.
Twins irreconcilably struggle for Dominion
Genesis 25:21-22
21 וַיֶּעְתַּר יִצְחָק לַֽיהוָה לְנֹכַח אִשְׁתֹּו כִּי עֲקָרָה הִוא וַיֵּעָתֶר לֹו יְהוָה וַתַּהַר רִבְקָה אִשְׁתֹּֽו׃
22 וַיִּתְרֹֽצֲצוּ הַבָּנִים בְּקִרְבָּהּ וַתֹּאמֶר אִם־כֵּן לָמָּה זֶּה אָנֹכִי וַתֵּלֶךְ לִדְרֹשׁ אֶת־יְהוָֽה׃
23 וַיֹּאמֶר יְהוָה לָהּ שְׁנֵי גֹיִים בְּבִטְנֵךְ וּשְׁנֵי לְאֻמִּים מִמֵּעַיִךְ יִפָּרֵדוּ
21 And Isaac intreated the LORD for his wife, because she was barren: and the LORD was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the LORD.
23 And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels;
Reading on in Genesis we read that hairy Esau is the “man’s man”, the man of the field, Gen 25:27, the outdoorsy sportsman hunter type. Smooth Jacob in contrast is a bit of a mummy’s boy. But Jacob will grow into a real man, a man of God in fact, while Esau will just increase in this world by natural talent and then just grow old having no relationship with the Lord. Esau is a force of nature so to speak, a self-made man. But like a shooting star he is only a temporary man and ultimately yesterday's hero. Meanwhile Jacob is a creation of God and is still being formed by God and ultimately set or 'made' (like Esau was 'made), Isaiah 43:7. Esau, עשו, was also ready made from the womb, his name denotes note only 'hairy' but also 'made', עשה, asa. But Esau was made for temporary purposes. Jacob was however not ready made from the womb, but was still being formed in this world through his struggle with Esau and with God. Ultimately like God, Jacob is eternal and good whereas Esau is temporary and evil. Jacob prized what Esau despised. When the Bride makes herself ready, Satan will fall with his host, Rev 12, and Esau has 3.5 years before he is destroyed. Jacob will be fully made by this stage and take on the hairy mantle of Esau so to speak when the Messiah Yeshua and the descendants of Judah and Joseph visit Edom's territory Bozrah and Mt Seir, Esau's capital, with judgement and burning and rivers of blood.
But while Jacob is young his relationship to his brother is one based on fear. Jacob supplants and tricks Esau and is consequently afraid for his life. It takes many years for the Lord to straighten Jacob out and teach him to trust the Lord instead of trying to make things work out through trickery and manipulation (as seed of the woman, a very feminine thing to do). Even after wrestling with the Lord, Jacob still bows to Esau seven times. But Jacob ultimately inherits the promised land while Esau gains a temporary dominion. Esau's dominion is currently very strong but it is falling apart, as Esau controls the post christian western world via Rome.
The enmity and irreconcilable ways of doing things do not stop with the death of Jacob and Esau, but continue through their descendants today.
In the past, war between Israel and Edom occurred in the time of King David. That time Israel prevailed. Esau had a part in killing the Messiah via Roman Pontius Pilat. Later Rome / Edom destroyed Jerusalem. When Jacob is down, Esau is up, gaining dominion.
The destruction of the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel do not end the interaction between Esau and Jacob, but they continue through to our day. Just as the Israelites have migrated and many have lost their identity so too has Esau moved about with him and serve Jacob as we shall discuss later.
Reconciled by the gospel
The goodness of God to Israel does not stop with gathering in the lost sheep of the house of Israel. The Lord gathers in the gentiles through the proclaiming of salvation through Yeshua. The Messiah's mission in His first coming is listed here in Isaiah 49:6. He raises up the tribes of Israel (through the gospel) including the lost tribes (preserved 'Notzri'/Christians) and finally the gentiles. The Edomites are gentiles. But they are high up the ladder being sons of Isaac and Abraham. |
Isaiah 49:6
6 וַיֹּאמֶר נָקֵל מִֽהְיֹותְךָ לִי עֶבֶד לְהָקִים אֶת־שִׁבְטֵי יַעֲקֹב וּנְצִירֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל לְהָשִׁיב וּנְתַתִּיךָ לְאֹור גֹּויִם לִֽהְיֹות יְשׁוּעָתִי עַד־קְצֵה הָאָֽרֶץ׃
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
The church contains Edom, Amos 9:11-12
Acts 15:13-20
13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
And now let us compare that quote with that in Amos 9:11-12…
Amos 9:11-12
11 בַּיֹּום הַהוּא אָקִים אֶת־סֻכַּת דָּוִיד הַנֹּפֶלֶת וְגָדַרְתִּי אֶת־פִּרְצֵיהֶן וַהֲרִֽסֹתָיו אָקִים וּבְנִיתִיהָ כִּימֵי עֹולָֽם׃
12 לְמַעַן יִֽירְשׁוּ אֶת־שְׁאֵרִית אֱדֹום וְכָל־הַגֹּויִם אֲשֶׁר־נִקְרָא שְׁמִי עֲלֵיהֶם נְאֻם־יְהוָה עֹשֶׂה זֹּֽאת׃
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
In the Acts 15:17 quote from Amos 9:12, “remnant of Edom”, אֶת־שְׁאֵרִית אֱדֹום, is translated as “residue of men”. So this is both an inspired reinterpretation and a gloss that hides the fact that Esau is being gathered into the ‘church’ (or 'congregation' of Israel if you don’t like that word).
Pretribulation Messianic Kingdom of David
(where Israel possesses the remnant of Edom)
Scriptures affirming the future Resurrection and Reign of King David
Jeremiah 30:9-10
9וְעָבְדוּ אֵּת יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵּיהֶם וְאֵּת דָוִד מַלְכָם אֲשֶר אָקִים לָהֶם׃
10וְאַתָה אַל־תִירָא עַבְדִי יַעֲקֹב נְאֻם־יְהֹוָה וְאַל־תֵּחַת יִשְרָאֵל כִי הִנְנִי מֹושִֹֽיעֲךָ מֵֹּֽרָחֹוק וְאֶֹֽת־זַרְעֲךָ מֵּאֶרֶץ שִבְיָם וְשָב יַעֲקֹב וְשָקַט וְשַאֲנַן וְאֵּין מַחֲרִיד׃
9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
Ezekiel 34:23-24
וַהֲקִמֹתִי עֲלֵּיהֶם רֹעֶה אֶחָד וְרָעָה אֶתְהֶן אֵּת עַבְדִי דָוִיד הוּא יִרְעֶה אֹתָם וְהוּא־יִהְיֶה לָהֶן לְרֹעֶה׃
וַאֲנִי יְהוָה אֶהְיֶה לָהֶם לֵּאלֹהִים וְעַבְדִי דָוִד נָשִיא בְתֹוכָם אֲנִי יְהוָה דִבַרְתִי׃
23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24 And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
Ezekiel 37:24-25
24וְעַבְדִי דָוִד מֶלֶךְ עֲלֵּיהֶם וְרֹועֶה אֶחָד יִהְיֶה לְכֻלָם וּבְמִשְפָטַי יֵּלֵּכוּ וְחֻקֹתַי יִשְמְרוּ וְעָשוּ אֹותָם׃
25וְיָשְבוּ עַל־הָאָרֶץ אֲשֶר נָתַתִי לְעַבְדִי לְיַעֲקֹב אֲשֶר יָֹֽשְבוּ־בָהּ אֲבֹותֵּיכֶם וְיָשְבוּ עָלֶיהָ הֵּמָה וּבְנֵּיהֶם וּבְנֵּי בְנֵּיהֶם עַד־עֹולָם וְ דָוִד עַבְדִי נָשִיא לָהֶם לְעֹולָם׃
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Hosea 3:5-5
5אַחַר יָשֻבוּ בְנֵּי יִשְרָאֵּל וּבִקְשוּ אֶת־יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵּיהֶם
וְאֵּת דָוִד מַלְכָם וּפָחֲדוּ אֶל־יְהוָה
וְאֶל־טוּבֹו בְ אַחֲרִית הַיָמִים׃
3 And I said unto her, Thou shalt abide for me many days; thou shalt not play the harlot, and thou shalt not be for another man: so will I also be for thee.
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return,
and seek the LORD their God, and David their king;
and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
But afterwards, in accordance with Acts 15:16-17 big things come (before the tribulation) -a Reunited Israel and Judah.
David is raised up. Along with his resurrection, according to Amos 9:11-12, there is a regathering of the remnant of Edom that is possessed by a regathered Israel under a reunited kingdom ruled by King David.
This raising of David's fallen tabernacle and regathering of Israel must occur before the tribulation because Esau is destroyed when the 'Kingdom is the Lord’s' as we are told in Obadiah 1:21.
Obadiah 1:21
וְעָלוּ מֹֽושִׁעִים בְּהַר צִיֹּון
לִשְׁפֹּט אֶת־הַר עֵשָׂו
וְהָיְתָה לַֽיהוָה הַמְּלוּכָֽה׃
And saviours shall come up on mount Zion
to judge the mount of Esau;
and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S
Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
The kingdoms of this world
are become
the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever
Remnant Messianic groups forming along tribal lines,
- Coalescing into Israelite and Edomite tribes
America and the western world will be judged but out of it will come a remnant of Esau and Jacob in faith. Edom is not finished yet. There is still good in the remnant. So therefore we should expect groups of messianic believers to come together that are Edomite believers in Yeshua who will also join with the house of Israel or the house of Judah in their regathering. Notice in verse 12 of Amos 9 that Israel possesses the remnant of Edom and not the other way around! Edom does not posses Israel!
The remnant of Edom will attach to either the House of Judah or the House of Israel. The rest of Edom will try and set up in their ancient land of Edom in the current state of Jordan after World War 3. The Lord will uproot this at His Return at the end of the tribulation.
The current state of Israel (actually Judah) is hostile to believers in Yeshua whether Jewish or 10 lost tribes or other gentiles. At present, the Jewish state of Israel is being controlled by the Vatican via various globalist organizations as a secular state. Not completely, but enough to hem the Jews in and tie them into a false peace process. At present, just like in Yeshua's day, the Jewish secular and religious leaders have no king but Caesar.
John 19:15
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them,
Shall I crucify your King?
The chief priests answered,
We have no king but Caesar
And while we are on the topic of who serves who, who do you think the Jewish bankers work for? The Pope, that is who! Rome rules, not Zion. The Zionists work for the Jesuits. But some of them want it the other way around, but that cant happen until they collectively repent concerning their crucified King, King Yeshua who is the Son of David, the branch, and YHVH יהוה, in the flesh.
This will change when the Jews fight for Jerusalem and morn for the one they pierced, even Yeshua who is YHVH יהוה, as described in Zechariah 12. Before the tribulation, at about the time of the regathering of all the remnant of Israel and Judah.
In the meantime as our secular nations implode and become like Sodom and Gomorrah there is a remnant of Edom coming together in the USA and elsewhere as well as a remnant of the House of Israel.
You will feel like some two house fellowships feel like home and others do not. There is a bit of shuffling going on, but people will generally feel comfortable amongst their own kind, by spirit, by soul, by kindred and by tribe etc.
“Esau” - What’s in a Name?
Esau throwing off the Yoke
No matter who we are there are choices we can make, and we are answerable for our free will choices. None of us can choose our ancestry, but we can all choose what we do. A wise man once said, “as for me and my house, we shall serve the Lord”, Joshua 24:15.
America is Esau/Edom
America is the new Rome / proto Babylon

President Trump will most likely make America great again just like Adolf Hitler made Germany great again, only to use it for his own purposes. At some stage the guns will be taken off the people. Then the Walmarts can be used as internment camps, probably when America is at war in a major way. This is guess work on my part. But it makes no sense to have empty FEMA camps and empty Walmarts. The only thing that would prevent concentration camps is an armed populace.
Over the last century America has been a place where the political mechanisms for world government have been built via various think tanks and NGO's. The United Nations in New York is mini form of Babylon which spreads its antichrist, Israel bashing, communist, new age philosophy world wide.
As the protestant descendants of Jacob have become less devout, Esau / Rome has filled in the vacuum. In the USA the protestant descendants of Jacob (10 lost tribes) have increasingly turned away from the gospel. So too have the Protestant and Catholic descendants of Esau.
As we move away from the bible we move towards tyranny in the USA, Australia and the rest of the once christian western world. The USA has turned into a police state with a permanently mobilized army fighting terrorism while at the same time secretly funding it!
Although the American military complex is Edomite and controlled by Rome, there is still a remnant of Esau that has not thrown off the light Yoke of Yeshua and His commandments. This remnant is to be loved by Israel, Deut 21:7 because the God of Israel is their Father too!
Notable Edomites in the bible, some bad, some good
Obviously Esau the father of the Edomites was a man of the flesh and did not follow the Lord. He sold his birthright to Jacob for a pot of HaAdom HaAdom, from which he gets his name, Edom, Gen 25:30. Later he lost his blessing to Jacob. Esau put his carnal desires first. Esau did not love God. But some of his descendants did!
Caleb
Can we imagine an exodus without the good mention of dear Caleb? He was an awesome man of faith! Who would not want to have Caleb as a brother. He was one of the two spies that brought a good report. He was a doer of the word, not just a hearer. He was a man of valour and the sword. He was part of the tribe of Judah in the line of Hezron.
But he was a Kenezite, Num 32:12. Kenez was from Edom, Gen 36:11. So how do we reconcile the Hezron - Kenez thing? Easy. He was an Edomite proselyte that fitted in snugly into the tribe of Judah. And there he did marvelous good. The swordsmanship of Esau was used for the service of Almighty God in the defence of Israel and the destruction of the Lord's enemies as Israel possessed the land allotted to her. And despite Caleb being a gentile in the flesh, even from Edom, he was graciously given a portion in Hebron. You see Caleb may have been a gentile 'dog', outside the covenant of promise and without hope in the world. But the Lord who was rich in mercy brought him near to Him. Why? Because Caleb had another spirit in him. Caleb, כלב, means 'dog', but 'dog' means 'all heart', cal-leb, כל לב and Caleb, from Edom via Kenez was like Esau, a man of action and the sword. But he was also a Edomite with another spirit in Him, the spirit of adoption, by which he cried, abba father! And he was adopted into Judah and became a leader of great faith. How wonderful.
The city that he conquered was also an important as to his ancestry. Not only was it the capital city of the Kingdom of Judah, but it was also the place that both Jacob and Esau grew up in. It was Isaac's home town. Thus you can see why he longed so much to have it.
Caleb was physically from Edom, but spiritually from Judah. It's that simple. Not all that are Israel in the flesh are Israel spiritually. And not all that are not Israel in the flesh are necessarily locked out, they may be spiritually from Israel. Their spirits may be from the Heavenly Jerusalem! How good is God?!!!
In many places Caleb is called the son of Jephunneh, כָּלֵב בֶּן־יְפֻנֶּה, Deut 1:36. Interestingly Jephunneh means he turned! It is also related to the word for face. Obviously Caleb had the right stuff physically and spiritually to do what he did by faith.
Before the tribe of Judah had a leader that was from Judah by blood, they had an edomite convert who led them into the promised land. Edom was an enabler for the tribe of Judah. In a way Edom via the Vatican and the USA is enabling the Jews today to possess the land (although with one hand tied behind their back). Trump is no Israelite, neither is the Pope. The Rothschild bankers are most certainly Edomite Jews but they still helped enable the settlement of the Jews in what was then called by the British, Palestine. (By the way there will always be some Edomite Jews just like there are many Edomite Christians). Edom is allowed into the fold, Deut 23:7-8. And he is free to leave as he will do. To say all Jews are Edomites is complete nonsense and does not aline with scripture. Yes there are some Jews that are 'not Jews', Rev 2:9, 3:9. But there are far more that are Jews. Being a Jew is not exactly popular. No one in their right mind would want to become part of a despised and persecuted minority, at least not many. The Jews must survive as blood line Jews in order for prophecy to be fulfilled. To say all Jews are Edomites is the sort of thing an Edomite would say! And the Lord will hold Edom guilty for his hatred of Judah and Israel, Ezek 35:5.
Another clue as to Caleb's Edomite identity is in one of his descendants, Nabal, who's heart turned to stone when king David arrived and died 10 days later (10 days of missed repentance before the day of Atonement / Judgement). Sadly Nabal was not a man of faith like Caleb. In the flesh Edom opposes Judah and King David.
Othniel
Othniel was and Edomite from Kenaz and the brother of Caleb. Obviously this was a good family of Kenazites. The Spirit of the Lord came upon him. Yes the Spirit of the Lord God of Israel came upon a non Israelite from Edom and grafted into Judah. Not only so but he also judged Israel and went to war and the Lord was with him and he prevailed. And all the ladies said Amen.
Judges 3:9-10
9 And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
10 And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.
Bezaleel created the furnishings of the tabernacle. He was a descendant of Hur (see below) from the tribe of Judah. But again both Hur and Bezaleel were from Caleb who was grafted into Judah but came from Kenaz. He was filled with wisdom, knowledge and understanding. He was a craftsman. Craftsmanship is something related to judgement and by extension, the sword. Craftsmen have to cut wood or metal instead of flesh. Cunning is required for good soldier and for a good craftsman. Good warriors value good tools.
Hur
Helped raise Moses hands in the fight against Amalek, Ex 17:12.
1 Chronicles 2:19-20
19 וַתָּמָת עֲזוּבָה וַיִּֽקַּֽח־לֹו כָלֵב אֶת־אֶפְרָת וַתֵּלֶד לֹו אֶת־חֽוּר׃
20 וְחוּר הֹולִיד אֶת־אוּרִי וְאוּרִי הֹולִיד אֶת־בְּצַלְאֵֽל׃
19 And when Azubah was dead, Caleb took unto him Ephrath, which bare him Hur.
20 And Hur begat Uri, and Uri begat Bezaleel.
Obviously Aarons hands were not enough to uphold Moses hands and torah. Aaron is about knowledge of torah. Hur is about truth in the inward parts, purity. Thank you Father for Hur.
Doeg
We read about him in 1 Sam 21:7 through to 1 Sam 22. Doeg was an Edomite convert who killed the Levitical priests at the request of King Saul. David was not happy about this and knew he would do it. He wrote about how he felt about wicked Doeg in Psalm 52. Doeg was a man that may have come from a good edomite convert family but he went back into Edom's ways. He used his tongue to deceive and his sword to kill, with feigned piety. Nasty.
Hadad
In 1 Kings 11:14 Hadad the Edomite was raised up by the Lord as an enemy to Israel due to Israel's apostasy. This shows that when Jacob is a naughty boy, God will use his brother Esau to give him a paddy wack.
Herod
The various Herods in the Gospels and the book of Acts were notorious for their rebuilding the temple and killing Jews including John the Baptist and either persecuting the early church or not helping them. They were Idumeans, the Greek form of the word for Edomites.
Job
The last Edomite on this list is perhaps the most interesting. I mention Job last, because there is less direct evidence but very much indirect evidence, even to the point of making it obvious, at least to me. I will share some of it briefly now...
- Job, אִיֹּוב, is an anagram of enemy, אֹויֵֽב.
- Job lives in the land of Uz and one of his friends is a Temanite which locks it into the vicinity of Edom's territory.
- The events of Job occur while Israel is in Egypt while Edom is living comfortably in his allotted territory on the other side of the Jordan.
- Job concerns the conflict in the heavens between God and Satan. The Lord goes into a lot of detail about Behemoth and Leviathan. It's not just about big dinosaurs. These creatures are related to Satan and his host. Edom is the last enemy to be destroyed before the Kingdom comes fully in the person of Yeshua's bodily return to earth. Much of the latter part of Job concerns the struggle between Satan and Israel via these creatures and the course of the stars. Job was a righteous Edomite prophet.
- Job was implicated in the book of Jasher giving Pharoah the advice to afflict Israel. Job was righteous but still had his anti Israel Edomite enmity for Jacob.
The elder shall serve the younger
Genesis 25:23 (continued…)
23 … וּלְאֹם מִלְאֹם יֶֽאֱמָץ
וְרַב יַעֲבֹד צָעִֽיר׃
23 … and the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
and the elder shall serve the younger.
Military might is what Esau the hunter naturally relies on since he gave away or lost his birthright and blessing to Jacob. Jacob prised the unseen God while Esau’s portion was in this world. Continuing in the Genesis 25:23 we also (amazingly) read that Esau will serve his brother. How strange? -the one that is stronger will serve the one that is weaker. Esau will serve Jacob even though he hates him and is stronger than him! Obviously Jacob has an Ace up his slave, and that is the favour of the good Lord, Jacob is chosen!
Now here is the crunch. These promises in Genesis concerning the fate of the two twins, Jacob and Esau continue to our day. They are not limited to just bible times way back when. So Esau is still stronger than Jacob, and he is still a military man and he is still serving Jacob! The verses in Genesis concerning Esau are being fulfilled throughout the last 2000 years of the church. Indeed Esau has a prominent role within the church.
The binding of Isaac, the gospel and the remnant of Edom
Mt Zion - First Heavenly & then Earthly
Hebrews 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Our Lord is patient and He is also a perfectionist and promises to make just men perfect. Down here that perfecting comes with plenty of afflictions and heart aches along the way. It’s not so much where we come from but where we are going that counts.
As this age draws to a close a remnant of Esau and the other nations will join with the House of Israel and Judah as friends (or ‘companions’ in the KJV, Ezek 37:16) and return to the land. Just as there was a mixed multitude in the first exodus from Egypt so will it be in the second exodus from the North Country and elsewhere.
As we are told plainly in Acts 15 the Lord will build the tabernacle of David afterwards and the remnant of Men (lit. “Edom”, Amos 9:12) will call upon the Lord. In a sense the Lord has already been building a spiritual tabernacle these past 2000 years as we have come into the heavenly Jerusalem by faith. But soon there will be a literal return to the physical Jerusalem and the physical Mount Zion
Acts 15:16-17
16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17 That the residue of men <“Edom”, Amos 9:12> might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
So we are awaiting the regathering of 10 lost tribes of Israel and the joining with them of Judah (Jews). Along with them will be the remnant of Edom as we are told and the rebuilding of the tabernacle of David, which means the Davidic throne, temple and Levitical Priesthood.
This occurs before the tribulation but after an outpouring of the Holy Spirit during world war when there will be “palm trees of smoke”, Joel 2:30. Esau/Edom is still alive at this time.
-Regathered from destroyed America and western world after WW3
Palmtrees of smoke
So America must be judged by the Lord via the NWO and WW3. This is not the tribulation; it’s just the end of the western world and Torah averse Sabbath breaking church. And yes all western nations will be on the chopping block. Out of the wreckage a remnant of Esau and Jacob (Jacob = Jews and 10 lost tribes) will escape to the ‘North Country’ and ultimately the real Promised Land, the mountains of Israel.
But for now they cannot return to the land because believers in Yeshua are barred. Even Jews have a hard time living in the mountains of Israel and Judah – what is called the ‘west bank’. Israel does not yet truly have the upper hand. When Israel and Jerusalem are down, Esau and Babylon are up and are ruling. At present the Jews are not in complete control of Israel. A sovereign nation does not need to get the approval of Uncle Sam before it makes a policy decision. The Jews are in the land of their fathers, but Jacob is still bowing down before Esau. But slowly, slowly, slowly the nation is getting materially stronger. Ultimately the battle will be for Jerusalem where the Pope would love to rule the world from.
(However the Jesuits do not want to just destroy Protestantism. Catholicism has also had its day. The inner paganism within Catholicism needs new vestments. It will be reorganized as the religion of Babylon in Iraq after Rome burns in WW3. Catholicism and Islam and other religions will merge then after WW3. The lost tribes of Israel will come together nearby in the North Country.
This is where history is going. No red carpet to the Promised Land from the USA. Much blood and sweat and tears and Palm trees of smoke and a great worldwide migration of peoples after the worst carnage the world has ever seen. And it’s not the tribulation, but world war 3 and the awakening of Israel and the emergence of last days rebuilt Babylon. And a remnant of Edom is coming with us.
Edom comes under Judah
King David of the tribe of Judah conquered Edom
In times of reformation there is a remnant of Edom that repents. Historically they have come under Judah’s rule or even Levi’s when Israel is in the land and pleases the Lord. They were subjugated under King David and rebelled after Solomon. They were also brought to subjugation under the Maccabee named John Hyrcanus...
“Antiquities Of The Jews” by Flavius Josephus
Book 13 Chapter 9 verse 24-25 (or 13:257)
(About 125 BC)
"Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, (25) and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews."
“Wars of the Jews” by Flavius Josephus
Book 4 Chapters 4 & 5
Book 4, Chapter 4 Summary
(70 AD, during the siege of Jerusalem)
THE IDUMEANS BEING SENT FOR BY THE ZEALOTS, CAME IMMEDIATELY TO JERUSALEM; AND WHEN THEY WERE EXCLUDED OUT OF THE CITY, THEY LAY ALL NIGHT THERE. JESUS ONE OF THE HIGH PRIESTS MAKES A SPEECH TO THEM; AND SIMON THE IDUMEAN MAKES A REPLY TO IT.
Book 4, Chapter 5 Summary
THE CRUELTY OF THE IDUMEANS WHEN THEY WERE GOTTEN INTO THE TEMPLE DURING THE STORM; AND OF THE ZEALOTS. CONCERNING THE SLAUGHTER OF ANANUS, AND JESUS, AND ZACHARIAS; AND HOW THE IDUMEANS RETIRED HOME.
Here is an extract…
“But the rage of the Idumeans was not satiated by these slaughters; but they now betook themselves to the city, and plundered every house, and slew every one they met; and for the other multitude, they esteemed it needless to go on with killing them, but they sought for the high priests, and the generality went with the greatest zeal against them; and as soon as they caught them they slew them, and then standing upon their dead bodies, in way of jest, upbraided Ananus with his kindness to the people, and Jesus with his speech made to them from the wall. Nay, they proceeded to that degree of impiety, as to cast away their dead bodies without burial, although the Jews used to take so much care of the burial of men, that they took down those that were condemned and crucified, and buried them before the going down of the sun.
"I should not mistake if I said that the death of Ananus was the beginning of the destruction of the city, and that from this very day may be dated the overthrow of her wall, and the ruin of her affairs, whereon they saw their high priest, and the procurer of their preservation, slain in the midst of their city. He was on other accounts also a venerable, and a very just man; and besides the grandeur of that nobility, and dignity, and honor of which he was possessed, he had been a lover of a kind of parity, even with regard to the meanest of the people; he was a prodigious lover of liberty, and an admirer of a democracy in government; and did ever prefer the public welfare before his own advantage, and preferred peace above all things; for he was thoroughly sensible that the Romans were not to be conquered.”
When I read this horrifying account I am reminded of the Psalm that states…
Psalms 137:7-9
7 זְכֹר יְהוָה לִבְנֵי אֱדֹום אֵת יֹום יְֽרוּשָׁלִָם הָאֹמְרִים עָרוּ עָרוּ עַד הַיְסֹוד בָּֽהּ׃
8 בַּת־בָּבֶל הַשְּׁדוּדָה אַשְׁרֵי שֶׁיְשַׁלֶּם־לָךְ אֶת־גְּמוּלֵךְ שֶׁגָּמַלְתְּ לָֽנוּ׃
9 אַשְׁרֵי שֶׁיֹּאחֵז וְנִפֵּץ אֶֽת־עֹלָלַיִךְ אֶל־הַסָּֽלַע׃
7 Remember, O LORD, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.
8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.
9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
Isaiah 63:1-6
מִי־זֶה בָּא מֵאֱדֹום חֲמוּץ בְּגָדִים מִבָּצְרָה זֶה הָדוּר בִּלְבוּשֹׁו צֹעֶה בְּרֹב כֹּחֹו אֲנִי מְדַבֵּר בִּצְדָקָה רַב לְהֹושִֽׁיעַ׃
2 מַדּוּעַ אָדֹם לִלְבוּשֶׁךָ וּבְגָדֶיךָ כְּדֹרֵךְ בְּגַֽת׃
3 פּוּרָה דָּרַכְתִּי לְבַדִּי וּמֵֽעַמִּים אֵֽין־אִישׁ אִתִּי וְאֶדְרְכֵם בְּאַפִּי וְאֶרְמְסֵם בַּחֲמָתִי וְיֵז נִצְחָם עַל־בְּגָדַי וְכָל־מַלְבּוּשַׁי אֶגְאָֽלְתִּי׃
4 כִּי יֹום נָקָם בְּלִבִּי וּשְׁנַת גְּאוּלַי בָּֽאָה׃
5 וְאַבִּיט וְאֵין עֹזֵר וְאֶשְׁתֹּומֵם וְאֵין סֹומֵךְ וַתֹּושַֽׁע לִי זְרֹעִי וַחֲמָתִי הִיא סְמָכָֽתְנִי׃
6 וְאָבוּס עַמִּים בְּאַפִּי וַאֲשַׁכְּרֵם בַּחֲמָתִי וְאֹורִיד לָאָרֶץ נִצְחָֽם׃
1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
How gracious is our Saviour.
Edomite antipathy towards the priesthood of Levi.
Doeg vs the Priests. (in a bad sense -he killed them!)
Herod vs John the Baptist (Put his head on a silver platter. Not nice.)
The hatred that the Edomites generally possess towards the Jews is matched by their hatred for the Levitical priesthood as we have seen above. Doeg the Edomite convert who works for Saul and a shepherd kills the priests in the time of David at Saul’s command.
1 Samuel 22:18
וַיֹּאמֶר הַמֶּלֶךְ לְדֹואֵג סֹב אַתָּה וּפְגַע בַּכֹּהֲנִים וַיִּסֹּב דֹּואֵג הָאֲדֹמִי
וַיִּפְגַּע־הוּא בַּכֹּהֲנִים וַיָּמֶת בַּיֹּום הַהוּא שְׁמֹנִים וַחֲמִשָּׁה אִישׁ נֹשֵׂא אֵפֹוד בָּֽד׃
18 And the king said to Doeg, Turn thou, and fall upon the priests. And Doeg the Edomite turned, and he fell upon the priests, and slew on that day fourscore and five persons that did wear a linen ephod.
To me this messianic hatred of Levi is particularly ungrateful, vile and disgusting. They wouldn’t have a Torah to study unless Moses the Levite met God in Mt Sinai. They wouldn’t have an Israel for Yeshua to be born in without the Levitical Maccabees. They wouldn’t have a Yeshua to cling to without a Levite called John the Baptist who announces his coming. It’s like a dog biting the very hand that feeds them.
And so Edom ever seeks mastery over Israel, and Levi stands in their way. Edom is proud and loves to be first and longs to rule over others. The gentiles that are outside the covenant are likened to dogs and other beasts in scripture. Dogs have a pack leader and a chain of command. Israelites are more egalitarian by nature, being a nation of shepherds rather than cruel and demonic hunters of men. Israelites fight out of necessity not because they love the sword. Edom not only loves the sword, but he harbours secret hatred in his heart towards his brother.
So we see that even Edomite believers harbour in their bosom ancient bloodline lusts and hatred against Judah and Levi. Many of those Israelite Identity groups that drone on and on about Edomite Jews are Edomite Christians! Jew obsessed. What a Joke! (By the way, many white Christians may see America being overrun by pagan non-white Muslim and Mexican Catholic folks and blame the Jews. But do they ever blame the Pope to whom the Jews and the freemasons in government and commerce ultimately have to report to? The Leaders of the House of Judah rejected the Messiah Yeshua and stated that they have no king but Caesar! Rome! Do these same Identity folk even realize that America is run from Rome and for Rome? America is Rome’s Army. And Edom lives by the sword! Life for Christians in the Middle East has gotten worse after Uncle Sam visited. It’s by design.
Even if these Edomite believers are truly saved, whether Christian Identity or Messianic or otherwise, there is a penalty for despising the Jews or the Levites in particular; there will come a time when their descendants are cut off forever. The last battle our Saviour and redeemer, the Lord God Yeshua has is with Edom…
Isaiah 63:1-4
1מִי־זֶה בָּא מֵאֱדֹום חֲמוּץ בְּגָדִים מִבָּצְרָה זֶה הָדוּר בִּלְבוּשֹׁו צֹעֶה בְּרֹב כֹּחֹו אֲנִי מְדַבֵּר בִּצְדָקָה רַב לְהֹושִֽׁיעַ׃
2 מַדּוּעַ אָדֹם לִלְבוּשֶׁךָ וּבְגָדֶיךָ כְּדֹרֵךְ בְּגַֽת׃
3 פּוּרָה דָּרַכְתִּי לְבַדִּי וּמֵֽעַמִּים אֵֽין־אִישׁ אִתִּי וְאֶדְרְכֵם בְּאַפִּי וְאֶרְמְסֵם בַּחֲמָתִי וְיֵז נִצְחָם עַל־בְּגָדַי וְכָל־מַלְבּוּשַׁי אֶגְאָֽלְתִּי׃
4 כִּי יֹום נָקָם בְּלִבִּי וּשְׁנַת גְּאוּלַי בָּֽאָה׃
1 Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2 Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
Until that day there is still something worth saving in Edom. The bulk of Edom resides in the USA along with the bulk of Jacob composed of Jews and the 10 lost tribes.
What good does Edom bring?
Briefly though, the remnant of Edom can bring...
Faith, Purity, holiness, & right judgement!
Let's look at the scriptures at some notable good Edomite converts.
- Purity in Hur (which means white or blanched, ie purity)
- Wisdom was a feature of the Nobles of Edom (in Teman), Jer 49:7
- Right Judgement and valour in Othniel the Judge.
- Faith is displayed in Caleb as discussed earlier
We know that with gnarly and knotted twisted acacia (‘shittim’) the Lord constructed the Ark of the Covenant. With rams skins dyed red (Edom) and goat skins the tabernacle fabric was wrought.
Exodus 25:5
וְעֹרֹת אֵילִם מְאָדָּמִים וְעֹרֹת תְּחָשִׁים וַעֲצֵי שִׁטִּֽים׃
And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
So if you discover you are from Edom instead of Jacob, cheer up! Bad things may indeed be in your blood, but you have new spiritual blood now. Masonic curses maybe upon you, but Yeshua became a curse for you. You may have anti-Semitic feelings, had some bad experiences with Jews or others. This is real, but it is the past. What counts is who you are looking to. Yeshua is bringing us all to an end of ourselves whoever we are, Jew or Gentile, bond or free. What counts is what God is making from the raw material which is you.
Hebrews 12:1-2
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
So in this sense in order for Amalek to be defeated it requires the Aaronic priesthood plus something that comes from Hur. The secret is what Hur means in Hebrew. Hur (H2354 means H2353 white linen), this denotes purity.
So what Edom brings in this sense is purity! Hur is on one side of Moses and Aaron is on the other. In a bad sense Hur opposes Aaron. In a positive sense, Hur compliments Aaron. We need purity, not just truth and outward performance of the commandments. We need inner purity.
In dealing with sin within, the remnant of Edom can bring after many years of self-denial a higher purity than many an Israelite, or even a priest. So in this sense the very things that are against an Edomite in the flesh are secretly for him in Christ if he struggles with it and Yeshua gains mastery over his flesh, his carnal nature.
Conclusion
Hopefully some folks will now indeed begin to realize and recognize that Edom / Esau is right where Jacob is. And if the 10 lost tribes are in the USA then surprise surprise, so is Esau too. Esau will always have a tendency towards warfare and the occult (Freemasonry and Catholicism for example). But there has been a large percentage of Esau within the Church that truly loves the Lord. Wherever Jacob is, there is Esau also.
When it comes to judgement of the 10 lost tribes, Esau will be used to cut them down, before he too is cut down.
The remnant of Esau can provide positive help and order to the lost tribes of Israel. Just like Othniel and Caleb, there are some of Esau that can judge justly and righteously and put their swords to good use defending Israel.
Folks tend to mingle with people that they feel comfortable with and feel a bond with. Blood is oftentimes thicker than water. Within America and elsewhere like Australia and New Zealand there will be some of Esau that band together as a remnant while others join in with the Israelite tribal messianic groups.
All of this will be over most folks heads, but at some stage in the future many will see what is plainly visible to a very few. I have shared this simply to let folks know that Israel is not the only nation that will return to the promised land. Esau will return with them and some of Esau will try and rebuild his ancient rocky mountain high in the land of Edom in modern day Jordan. These will mostly be white American Christians that want to return to where the Eagle flies. Edom's Eagle.
Again the purpose of this is not to denigrate anybody but simply to state a fact, that Esau and Jacob will soon be identified and separated from amongst the white anglo saxon protestants within America and wherever else they wandered like New Zealand and Australia and Canada. (South Africa's white christian population is more Esau the hunter than Jacob the shepherd). World War 3 and the FEMA camps will thin out Jacob. Esau will be next. Then the return to the North Country to get our language skills and torah based Hebrew culture together before we come out of the North Country and join with the House of Judah. This all takes time. The end of Christian America is not the end of the world, any more than World War 1 or 2 or 3!!!
When the House of Israel joins with the House of Judah, the Davidic Monarchy and Levitical Temple Worship and Sacrificial system will be in operation. At that stage we will possess the remnant of Edom. There will be a messianic era of unknown duration before the tribulation.
Sorry folks some things take time. But World War 3 is just around the bend. Try not to go around the bend with it. Keep your eyes on Yeshua who is God manifest in flesh. And keep His commandments and listen to His voice.
Cheers and Shalom and Godbless
Rory
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